Comments for Hearts Through History Romance Writers http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com Just another WordPress site Wed, 16 May 2012 00:39:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn Schmid http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6410 Angelyn Schmid Wed, 16 May 2012 00:39:30 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6410 These historical events certainly provide perspective, don't they? Thanks for stopping by, Barbara. These historical events certainly provide perspective, don’t they?

Thanks for stopping by, Barbara.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn Schmid http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6409 Angelyn Schmid Wed, 16 May 2012 00:38:47 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6409 abduction: fascinating. Was it someone famous? Lady Ferrers: I've heard of that one, but not in so much detail as you've given. I hope she did find her happily ever after. Lord Grange: apparently he did eventually marry his long-time companion, the coffee-house proprietress, once he had heard about Lady Grange's death. His connections with Jacobite Highlanders were instrumental in Lady Grange's repeated evacuations from prison to prison I didn't know about that re: Princess Caroline's sister. How appalling. Thank you for adding those details. abduction: fascinating. Was it someone famous?

Lady Ferrers: I’ve heard of that one, but not in so much detail as you’ve given. I hope she did find her happily ever after.

Lord Grange: apparently he did eventually marry his long-time companion, the coffee-house proprietress, once he had heard about Lady Grange’s death. His connections with Jacobite Highlanders were instrumental in Lady Grange’s repeated evacuations from prison to prison

I didn’t know about that re: Princess Caroline’s sister. How appalling.

Thank you for adding those details.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Barbara Bettis http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6408 Barbara Bettis Tue, 15 May 2012 21:44:18 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6408 I find it just incredible people couldn/can be so cruel to each other! And prosper, at that. These stories were incredibly sad.But thanks for sharing them. I find it just incredible people couldn/can be so cruel to each other! And prosper, at that. These stories were incredibly sad.But thanks for sharing them.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Nancy http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6407 Nancy Tue, 15 May 2012 16:50:39 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6407 A wife who was legally separated from her husband was abducted by him and hidden away. Her friends went to court and got a court order for him to produce her alive and well. She was fortunate. wives could testify against their husbands in two cases-- when they asked for a legal seapratin and when they made them take out a peace bond not to disturn the peace by assaulting them. This wasn't often done but even peers could be brought to court to answer why he had violated a bind to keep the peace. The trouble was that most wives didn't know about such measures or were afraid to go after them, or didn't have the support of family and friends . Sad but true, families and friends would prefer that the woman endure physical restraint an injury than that she should cause a scandal by taking her husband to court. It is still that way. Despite the progress that has been made in how domestic violence is seen, there are those who blame the vicitm and those who are ashamed to confess it. 18th century Lady ferrers was described as being meek and non-confrontational, modest, chaste and the pattern card of perfection as a wife. She had to appeal to the House of Lords three times to be allowed to separae from her husband.She feared for her life. They rightfully told her that separations were the business of the ecclesiastical courts. Her reply was that her husband had no fear of excommunication and so wouldn't pay any attention to that court. Friends and family supported her plea until it was granted. Not a divorce, just the right to live apart from her husband. She got out in time because he killed a man shortly thereafter. The money alloted to her, etc. were safe from the forfeiture laws. She married again later and I believe happily. I wonder what happened to the husband whose wife died of neglect and starvation? The sister of Caroline, Princess of Wales was said to have been sent away in Russia( her husband was a diplomat there) to a distant castle by Catherine the Great-- with the husband's agreement, of course. Her body was found some years later-- she too starved to death. A wife who was legally separated from her husband was abducted by him and hidden away. Her friends went to court and got a court order for him to produce her alive and well. She was fortunate.
wives could testify against their husbands in two cases– when they asked for a legal seapratin and when they made them take out a peace bond not to disturn the peace by assaulting them. This wasn’t often done but even peers could be brought to court to answer why he had violated a bind to keep the peace. The trouble was that most wives didn’t know about such measures or were afraid to go after them, or didn’t have the support of family and friends . Sad but true, families and friends would prefer that the woman endure physical restraint an injury than that she should cause a scandal by taking her husband to court. It is still that way. Despite the progress that has been made in how domestic violence is seen, there are those who blame the vicitm and those who are ashamed to confess it.
18th century Lady ferrers was described as being meek and non-confrontational, modest, chaste and the pattern card of perfection as a wife. She had to appeal to the House of Lords three times to be allowed to separae from her husband.She feared for her life. They rightfully told her that separations were the business of the ecclesiastical courts. Her reply was that her husband had no fear of excommunication and so wouldn’t pay any attention to that court. Friends and family supported her plea until it was granted. Not a divorce, just the right to live apart from her husband. She got out in time because he killed a man shortly thereafter. The money alloted to her, etc. were safe from the forfeiture laws. She married again later and I believe happily.
I wonder what happened to the husband whose wife died of neglect and starvation?
The sister of Caroline, Princess of Wales was said to have been sent away in Russia( her husband was a diplomat there) to a distant castle by Catherine the Great– with the husband’s agreement, of course. Her body was found some years later– she too starved to death.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6406 Angelyn Tue, 15 May 2012 14:18:38 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6406 Or worse. Your observation is so very true and, in a way, haunting. Thanks for commenting, Callie. Or worse. Your observation is so very true and, in a way, haunting. Thanks for commenting, Callie.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6405 Angelyn Tue, 15 May 2012 14:17:38 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6405 Oh, what a terrible story, Ella. I can just think of the child's suffering being reopened all over again. It is a pity we still see so much of that today. Oh, what a terrible story, Ella. I can just think of the child’s suffering being reopened all over again. It is a pity we still see so much of that today.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6404 Angelyn Tue, 15 May 2012 14:15:13 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6404 Precisely! Throttle them, I say! Thanks for stopping by, Sandy. Precisely! Throttle them, I say!

Thanks for stopping by, Sandy.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Angelyn http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6403 Angelyn Tue, 15 May 2012 14:14:35 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6403 I think you must be right about the children being kept ignorant of the true state of affairs. And it did depend on the husband's personality in many cases. You can almost feel Dundas' seething ambition and ruthlessness from the contemporary accounts which blamed him for obstructing the abolition of the slave trade. Thanks for commenting I think you must be right about the children being kept ignorant of the true state of affairs. And it did depend on the husband’s personality in many cases. You can almost feel Dundas’ seething ambition and ruthlessness from the contemporary accounts which blamed him for obstructing the abolition of the slave trade. Thanks for commenting

]]> Comment on Catherine de Medici, the queen of French culture by McKenna Darby http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/catherine-de-medici-the-queen-of-french-culture/#comment-6401 McKenna Darby Tue, 15 May 2012 01:19:47 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2772#comment-6401 Thanks, everyone, for popping by and commenting. Catherine was shrewd and she could be manipulative, but she wasn't the monster that she's so often portrayed to be. She was just a strong, intelligent woman, and history isn't kind to those. Many of the people all around her were ruthless and cruel, so it's no wonder to me that she had to be a bit manipulative just to keep herself and her children alive after Henri II died. Debby, in answer to your question: Catherine *was* a descendant of Cosimo de Medici. Catherine's parents, who died just days after she was born, were Lorenzo de Medici II and Madeleine de La Tour d'Auvergne. Lorenzo's father was Lorenzo the Magnificent; Lorenzo the Magnificent's father was Pietro, and Pietro's father was Cosimo. Ironically, given the way the French court felt about Catherine being an "outsider" who was neither noble nor French, both she and her husband Henri could trace their lineage back to Louis IX, who was king of France in the 1200s. Louis' great-great-grandaughter, Madeline, married Lorenzo II, Catherine's father. Henri, however, traced his lineage to Louis through Louis of Orleans, second son of Charles V. Charles V's line (Charles VI, Charles VII, Louis the XI) died out when Charles VIII did not produce an heir, so the succession passed to Henri's father Francis I, who was the closest direct descendant of Charles V's second son, Louis of Orleans. Thanks, everyone, for popping by and commenting.

Catherine was shrewd and she could be manipulative, but she wasn’t the monster that she’s so often portrayed to be. She was just a strong, intelligent woman, and history isn’t kind to those. Many of the people all around her were ruthless and cruel, so it’s no wonder to me that she had to be a bit manipulative just to keep herself and her children alive after Henri II died.

Debby, in answer to your question: Catherine *was* a descendant of Cosimo de Medici. Catherine’s parents, who died just days after she was born, were Lorenzo de Medici II and Madeleine de La Tour d’Auvergne. Lorenzo’s father was Lorenzo the Magnificent; Lorenzo the Magnificent’s father was Pietro, and Pietro’s father was Cosimo.

Ironically, given the way the French court felt about Catherine being an
“outsider” who was neither noble nor French, both she and her husband Henri could trace their lineage back to Louis IX, who was king of France in the 1200s. Louis’ great-great-grandaughter, Madeline, married Lorenzo II, Catherine’s father. Henri, however, traced his lineage to Louis through Louis of Orleans, second son of Charles V. Charles V’s line (Charles VI, Charles VII, Louis the XI) died out when Charles VIII did not produce an heir, so the succession passed to Henri’s father Francis I, who was the closest direct descendant of Charles V’s second son, Louis of Orleans.

]]> Comment on Banished to the Far Country by Callie Hutton http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/banished-to-the-far-country/#comment-6400 Callie Hutton Mon, 14 May 2012 22:32:46 +0000 http://www.heartsthroughhistory.com/?p=2789#comment-6400 Wow. Amazing at what husbands could get away with. Unfortunately, even today in some cultures, a woman could be hidden away. Wow. Amazing at what husbands could get away with. Unfortunately, even today in some cultures, a woman could be hidden away.

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